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Member Since:

Feb 02, 2014

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Childhood: I tagged along with my Dad and older brothers to many local fun runs. Did the SLC Winter series (when it was in South Jordan) a few times. Won the Governer's Cup (1 mile kids run) one time. Niavely thought I was the fastest kid in the state.

Jr High: I realized I was far from the fasted kid in the state or even my school. Ran Track and XC every year but had a love/hate relationship with running.

High School: I was hugely inspired by the top runners at Taylorsville HS, Adam Stark and Teren Jamesen, who were both top runners in the state and recieved scholarships to run at the U of U (before the men's program was cut...thanks title 9). As a Junior, my love/hate relationship with running turned to pure love as I discovered what it really meant to train consistently and see myself improve.

HS PRs

State XC course at sugarhouse 16:10 (35th overall--with Bingham as the #1 high school in the nation, there was tons of depth in 1996).

1600-4:46 

3200-10:15

Adult Running:

I was not fast enough to recieve any scholarships, so I didn't run competetively in college. Also, I had a naggin hamstring injury for several years after High School which prevented me from real training. I just did basic 20-35 mpw. Eventually, if figured out how to rehab my hamstring, and started training again. My first really good race was the Salt Lake Classic 10k in 2004. I ran in 33:33 and outkicked Sasha (this is probably the reason Sasha thinks I have a good kick. Based on all the times I have been out-kicked, I'm not so sure).

PRs:

Mile--4:43--as a lone time trial on UNLV track while on vacation in 2006. (I haven't done a 1-mile race since High School).

5K--15:17--DaperDays 2012

10k--30:58 (aided)--DesNews 2009

1/2 M--1:09:16--Salt Lake Marathon and Half M. 2009

Marathon--2:27:30--Chicago 2009.

 

 

 

 

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

I have been in an injury cycle for about 18 months. I want to finally have the PATIENCE to SLOWLY build up my training, so that when I get to decent mileage, I won't be injured.

Since I am now 35, I think I will be satisfied just to not slow down. Although, if my training went perfectly, I know I am capable of more PR's, but getting perfect training is not always possible.

Long-Term Running Goals:

Continue to be a local competetive runner for as long as I can. Continue to find enjoyement in training and racinge even when my PRs are a distant memory.
 

Personal:

I run for the Wasatch Running Center team. They have gratiously supported me with free gear and store discounts for many years. They Rock!

I have been married since the end of 2004. I have two children. We may have more kids in several years if/when life gets a little less hectic.

I am a big fan and follower of professional running. Our sport has a phenomenal level of participation right now. I think the quality of our sport could be improved if the average runner was more aware of the professional sport of athletics/running.

My favorite professional runner is Kenenesia Bekele. I hope he can return to form and dominate the roads during his 30's. I daydream about him also returning to the track just once or twice to beat a particularly overated sit and kick runner. My other favorite runner is Chris Solinsky. He and I are about the same size, so I was super happy when he was the first non-African born runner to break 27 minutes for 10K. I hope he also can salvage the remaining years of his career.

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To start off, I need to explain that this year I am logging my running in terms of time instead of distance. This helps me to stay relaxed during training runs because I tell myself I have to run for "X" number of minutes whether I run fast or slow. When I run with a distance goal in mind, I can't help but speed up so I can get the run over with sooner. Since my goal this year is to patiently increase my training to a decent level again, this is the right approach for me right now. When I look back at my training in the past, I spent most of '07 and '08 doing relaxed/patient mileage building, and then I had good consistently high mileage (60-80 mpw) during 2009 and 2010. I made the mistake at the end of 2010 of breaking the 100 mpw barrier without spending enough time in the 80-90 mpw first. I have been in an injury cycle ever since then. I would love to be the type of runner that can run 120 mpw (the time I did run in the 100 mpw range was the most enjoyable time of my life) but I have to accept that "durability" is my weak point.

On Monday, I did LSD for time of 1:48:xx. Ran fast for 5 minutes at the end. Felt good the whole time. None of the usual aches (left knee, right foot, left tibia) showed up at any time during the run. I had a head cold all last week, so I left the house with the option to go for just an hour if I still felt conjested while running. Thankfully, I think I am pretty much over the cold. Now if our 7 month old boy could get over the cold too, then my wife an I could have a decent night of sleep instead of getting up multiple times in the night to comfort him after he has a coughing fit.

During January, I have run about 4:30-5:00 hours per week (probably about 35-45 mpw). I was hoping to fit a 5:30 week in between the two SLC winter series races, but the head cold (and lack of sleep) forced me to adjust my plans. I know that the guys I want to be competetive with are double or tiple my mileage, and that tempts me to force my mileage higher. However, I have done that many times in the past, only to end up injured. One reason I have been hesitant to post on this blog in the past is because I don't want to reveal just how low and pathetic my mileage is. Right now, I'm trying to have the maturity to not care how I compare to the other guys, and just to do what I know is the right approach for the runner that I am.
 

Comments
From Trevor Baker on Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 10:55:43 from 155.98.164.38

Awesome approach. I think once you are able to keep the aches and pains under control you'll be able to gradually increase your training to compete with those you want to. I like your approach. I've known too many runners than attack training and their seasons and races are short lived. You'll be in good shape in no time.

From Josh E on Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 11:22:55 from 205.235.104.4

Welcome to the blog and good luck with your training.I am a fellow THS grad - class of 95. I ran through 11th grade then called it quits...

BTW - got Goucher on the brain for some reason. That would've been inspring. We ran with Adam Stark!

From Jake K on Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 11:39:12 from 159.212.71.69

Good to see you on here Nate. We've usually been doing longer runs from Highland on Saturdays, and I am a big proponent of easy runs being EASY paced... so join us sometime when you are feeling ready. I think it will be a pretty regular thing throughout the spring.

From nathan hornok on Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:07:02 from 75.169.184.190

Josh E. yes I meant to write Adam Stark, not Goucher. Ha ha. Of course, I did read about Goucher in a High School XC magazine and was inspired by him too.

From nathan hornok on Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:08:38 from 75.169.184.190

Jake, thanks for the Long run invite. I would love to make it one of these weeks. What time do you start and how far do you usually go?

From fiddy on Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:35:46 from 155.101.96.139

I can run 80-90 mile weeks pretty easily. Everytime I creep into 100+ mile territory something bad happens.

From fiddy on Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:38:50 from 155.101.96.139

Also, you can post your runs in "Badger Miles". Wisconsin athletes just divide their run time by 7 to get the mileage. You might want to divide by 7.5 or 8 as you are not a 13:30 5k runner.

From Jake K on Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 09:43:55 from 159.212.71.69

Nate - we usually get started around 8-9am, depending on what people have going on. A lot of times we'll do a loop if some people want to go shorter, and then anyone going longer just adds on. This week is the SLC 10K, but next weekend I'm sure we'll do a longer run.

From RileyCook on Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 14:07:10 from 172.56.8.10

Welcome Nate. It's good to see you on the blog.

Mileage is tricky and it takes control and discipline to raise it. You're on the right track with your approach.

I was a 40 miles a week guy in 2011 and I've just slowly built up a little at a time. In 2012 I was a 50 miles a week guy and last year I averaged 72. I have had some nagging injuries along the way but nothing serious. Steady and consistent is the key. Just a little at a time and if the body says no more, then back off a bit and level off until the body is ready to increase again.

I'm still waiting for my body to say it's ready for 100 as I've never had 100 in a week. But it's not quite there yet, very close but just not ready.

But as long as you avoid trying to keep up with the Jones's on mileage, the blog is great and you receive amazing support and advice from others. It will help you become the runner you want to be.

From Glory in the long run on Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 00:33:47 from 174.23.179.128

Here's the thing little bro (ha, that's funny), mileage is as individual as the individual. One of coach Bowerman's greatest accomplishments in his mind was getting a guy to run a 4 minute mile on just 30 miles a week. He knew this guy was a good runner, he just had to find the right training. Imagine that! Bowerman is known for bringing Lydiard's high mileage schemes to America, yet he knew training must be individualized and not comparative.

From Sasha Pachev on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 13:21:41 from 69.28.149.129

Running 100 mpw is like driving 100 mph. You cannot do it safely just anywhere and in any conditions. You need a straight road, good surface, good visibility, vehicle in good condition, and not too many cars around. And you need to have your eyes 100% on the road.

For a runner, this translates into good sleep, good diet, low-stress life, and having a certain level of fitness already that is achieved through gradually increasing the volume. You cannot get sloppy in your recovery in between the runs, or you pay the price! Basic common sense principles that too many runners somehow manage to neglect.

Perhaps because while it takes only roughly twice the amount of actual running time it takes 10 times the level of training discipline to properly handle 100 mpw vs only 60. You cannot go to bed late. You cannot work an extra hour. You cannot eat certain foods and there are some foods that you do have to eat. Some runners cannot go without an afternoon nap. Sometimes you may be as little as one argument away from overtraining - adrenaline rush at the wrong time disrupts the recover and the straw breaks the camel's back. And once you cross that red line, months of training go down the drain.

The key to success in high mileage is to imagine yourself driving at the speed in miles per hour equal to the number of miles per week, the amount of focus and precaution it would take to do it safely, and approach the training with the same attitude.

From Jake K on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 13:27:16 from 159.212.71.199

That's a really good analogy, Sasha. I like it. Very true - common sense.

Although I can't imagine driving 100mph b/c I'm fairly certain my jeep would explode if I tried to push it past 85 :-)

From Tom Slick on Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:26:25 from 69.171.160.186

Great 10K run and great account of your race with a shadow!

Race: SLC winter series 10K (6.2 Miles) 00:34:37, Place overall: 7

SLC winter series 10K, 34:37, 6th overall.

This was a fun race for me. I went into the race with the plan to just treat it like a 5 mile tempo run with a "race type" effort on the last mile. I didn't think my legs were ready to handle 6.2 miles of racing since my only real speedwork has been the 5k race from two weeks ago. Right off the bat, I didn't try to stay with Riley and company. I just settled into a fast yet comfortable pace. At about a half mile, I heard someone tuck in right behind me. I glanced over my shoulder, and although I didn't get a look at his face, I did get the feeling that it was a high schooler from his smallish stature. For the first 5K, I ran comfortably, enjoying the tailwind and tracking the tangents along the slightly curved road. I could tell my follower was putting in a harder effort than me by his heavier breathing. My instinct was to drop him, but then I reminded myself that I really didn't intend to "go to the well" on this race, so I decided that if he was with me at the turn around, I would let him draft off me for most of the way back. We hit the turn around at about 16:40. I knew the head wind would be strong, but it was still shocking just how much slower it was on the way back. My follower stayed right behind me. I wasn't checking my spits every mile, but I did track that mile 4 to 5 was a 5:50 mile.

I sped up a tiny bit from mile marker 5 to mile 5.2 (the 1 mile marker on the other side of the road). At this point I made the move that I had planned a few miles earlier. I sped up dramatically and swerved to the other side of the road. This was kind of a cruel move to make on the youngster, but I figured it was a good object lesson for him in three ways. 1-When you make a move, the whole point is to "gap" the other person, so make the move quickly and dramatically, and keep pushing for a while after the move. 2-Make a move at the most psycologically difficult part of the race. To me, the start of the last mile of a race is usually the most tempting time to give into the pain and just hang on, waiting for the finish to get closer. 3-If you are drafting off someone, be ready for them to make dramatic moves if you don't do it first.

I pushed hard the last mile and tried to accelerate all the way to the finish. I can't remember my splits but I think my last mile was about 5:20. 34:37 is not a great time, but considering the wind and lack of full effort, I am optimistic about how things are going for me right now. I learned after the race that the "youngster" was Benjamin Pachev. We talked and congragulated each other afterwards. I am really impressed with his talent and drive, especially at 15 years old. Good job Benjamin!

Comments
From Jake K on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:15:10 from 159.212.71.199

Veteran move w/ the surge and swerve :-)

Nice running Nate!

From RileyCook on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:15:52 from 172.56.8.173

Nicely executed Nate. And this will be valuable for Benjamin in the future in close, tactical races.

From Glory in the long run on Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 17:40:11 from 174.27.229.161

Holy psychological and race tactic wisdom Batman!

From Steve on Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 00:52:36 from 66.87.126.217

Good to see you back at it again, Nate. Nice run!

I did 2 hours and 8 minutes of LSD on Sunday afternoon (about 17.5 miles). This took me to a total of 7 hours of running this week (about 58-60 miles). I really enjoyed the long run. When I started it was raining a little bit so my plan was to head up to research park where I could run on the treadmill at my work if it kept raining. fortunately, the rain subsided so I was able to run outside the whole time. I passed by the golf course behind the hogle zoo and noticed that all the snow was melted so I just ran back and forth on the grass for 30 minutes. It was really quiet and peacefull and the view of the valley was great. I looped back home through liberty park. My legs started to ach the last 20 minutes but I wasn't nearly as wiped out as I usually am after a long run. It takes a lot of patience for me to run slow for such a long time, but I think I will benefit greatly from these sorts of LSD runs at this point in my training. My goal is to build up to a 3 hour long before the SLC marathon in April. I don't have time to build up both endurance and speed in time for the SLC marathon, but I want to at least build up a great endurance base that I can then add speed to later in the year. I'm excited that my mileage is increasing and my legs don't feel horrible as I do it.
 

Comments
From Josh E on Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 14:10:11 from 205.235.104.4

If you're interested, there is a group of us who sometimes do easy lunch runs together up near you. Usually pretty easy but I am aspiring to get a track workout in with the group.

Race: SLC winter series 15K (9.321 Miles) 00:51:56, Place overall: 6

splits: 5:27 mile 1, 5:50-5:40 to halfway (26:30) second half 5:30-5:20 (25:26)

I started this race with the plan to run about the same pace as I ran for the 10K. The wind wasn’t an issue and I have 2 more weeks of training under my belt, so I figured I could handle the additional 3.1 miles at the same pace. My 10k time was 34:37 (5:35/mile) so I was shooting for 51:xx. I tucked right in behind the top 4 guys for the first K, but then I backed off to settle into my own pace. My first mile was about 5:28. I relaxed a little too much and ran the second mile in 5:50. I forget exactly where Josh caught up to me, but I sped up to stay with him. We ran about 5:45 pace until the turn around. Josh commented that I didn’t seem to be breathing very hard. I felt like I was still running fairly fast. With my lack of speed work, I’m apprehensive about how my legs will hold up to mile after mile of fast running. We hit halfway in 26:30. I knew I would have to push if I wanted to be under 52 minutes. I pulled away from Josh, but I glanced back a couple times and could see him, so I was still motivated to keep pushing. I hit 6 miles in 34:00. I pushed hard the last 5k to run under 17 minutes. My last mile was just under 5:20. I was really tired, but I told myself that running fast on tired legs was just what I needed to get back to form. I am proud of myself for my negative split. I probably should have run the first half faster, but overall it was another step in the right direction.

Comments
From Rob Murphy on Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 22:15:12 from 24.10.249.34

Nice race Nathan. That 5:20 at the end is pretty impressive.

From RileyCook on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 15:24:56 from 73.52.134.194

Nice race Nate, you're looking strong.

From Matt Poulsen on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 15:33:57 from 50.168.224.197

Nicely done, Nate! Looking great! Keep up the good work.

From Josh E on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 16:37:24 from 166.137.209.22

Nice running with you for a bit Nate. Great negative split and finish yet again.

From Jake K on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 19:25:18 from 67.177.11.154

Big negative split Nate. Nice work.

Race: Strider's half (13.1 Miles) 01:12:18, Place overall: 7

My training has been mainly focused on marathon endurance preparation (i.e long slow runs). So I haven't had a chance to do specific half marathon type stuff except for one tempo run last week. I figured this race would be an acceptable "speed" ingredient for marathon preparation.  I started out with the front pack of guys. We were going at about 5:15-5:20 pace. It felt pretty easy since we were running down the canyon, but by 2.5 miles I decided to ease up a bit (my last race was a 15k at 5:35 pace so I knew I had to be cautious). I ran the rest of the race alone, watching the front group of guys slowly pull away from me. Jace was in the gap between me and the front group. I wondered if I could eventually catch him, but by 8 miles he had disappeared and my plan had changed to just trying to maintain my pace until the finish. My legs started hurting at mile 9.5, and things got more painfull right before the 12 mile mark, but I mostly kept my composure and finished strong. I wouldn't call this course too hard, but it is difficult to maintain even splits with the rolling hills during the second half. Overall it was a fun race and I'm excited to see how this effort will help me get in better shape than I was yesterday.

My rough splits were

1-3 in 5:20. 3-7 in 5:31, 7-10 in 5:39, 10-finish in 5:35.    (average 5:31)

Comments
From Josh E on Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 18:28:10 from 65.130.223.132

Nice Job Nate. Good luck at the Salt Lake Marathon. I am guessing you will have a great race.

From Fritz on Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 21:53:28 from 98.202.9.237

Good race Nate. This should be a good tune up for the marathon. You will need to join us for a Saturday run sometime.

From Jake K on Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 11:12:49 from 199.190.170.30

Good race Nate. Keep building.

From scottkeate on Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 16:46:17 from 192.150.9.200

Great job, Nate. Keep up the good work and best wishes in your future races.

From Matt Poulsen on Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 16:15:09 from 50.168.224.197

Nice race, Nate! Keep up the great work!

Race: SLC Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:50:50, Place overall: 5

The key word for today's race is B-O-M-B! I set a new PW (Personal Worst) today. I entered this race with the goal to run at 2:40:xx pace and see if I could progress a little faster and surprise myself over the later miles. My 1:12:18 HM from 2 weeks ago, and my 25 mile long run in training indicated that this was not too lofty of a goal. I decided to wear trainers instead of racing flats so that I would not be tempted to run the early downhills too quickly. I hit 5 miles in 29:57. 10 miles in 1:02:08. 15 in 1:33:38. Mile 15 to 18 was mostly downhill. I started to let myself run a little faster, and did mile 16 to 17 in 5:55. I was a little more tired that I expected to be at this point in the race considering that I was running very conservatively. Also, I started to regret that I was in trainers-they felt heavy. Mile 18 to 20 had a few patches of uphill. While climbing up a short hill before mile 20 (2:04:30), I knew things were not right. I felt exta tired and started having the temptation to walk. My legs didn't feel too awfull, but I felt like I was running of fumes. My pace started slowing and I started having thoughts of letting today be a DNF. At mile 23 the course passes within 2 blocks of where I live. I knew my wife and kids were going to be there. I really wanted to just drop out at that point and chalk it up as a bad 23 mile training run. I decided to stick with it and jog my way to the finish. I spent about a half mile saying "just don't walk" to myself, but then eventually failed to meet that goal as well. I walked three times (twice during water stations) over the last three miles. The walking actually helped be regain a little energy. My PW before today was 2:48:xx from my first marathon. I never thought I would run slower than that today, but oh well, at least I didn't drop out.

I think (or hope) there is an explaination for today's awfull performance. I have had a slightly sore throat this week, but I just thought my spring allergies where hitting early this year. I didn't want to start worring that I was coming down with something. Also, my stomach was a little unsettled yesterday and this morning, but I thought that was just "racing nerves." So, maybe I have a bit of a cold, I would rather use that as an explaination because it is better that telling myself that my running ability has deteriorated so much since my last Marathon which was just 18 months ago. The Utah Marathon where I ran 2:38:xx on a more difficult course.

Lastly, there is a possibility that I didn't take in enough liquid or calories during the race. I took Powergels at mile 11 and 20. I alternated between water and powerade from about mile 12 on. I'm hesitant to drink fluids earlier in the race because I don't want to risk having to stop to pee. This happened to me once in the Park City Marathon where I dank right from the start and had to pee at mile 10. I did notice today, that after taking the gels and powerade, I felt a little worse for several minutes, so maybe my stomach wasn't absorbing the calories the way it normally should. I would apprecaite any feedback on what other's do to drink during a Marathon, especially when it is a slightly cold tempurature at the start and you don't start really sweating untill 5 miles into the race.

Anyway, that's my Marathon BOMB story. I've always heard people say that "anything can happen in the marathon." Too bad, the "anything" they are refering to is having a horrible race rather than being the first human to go sub 2 hours:) Plus, things could have gone worse, I could have pooped myself. Also on the bright side, my legs don't feel too trashed, maybe I will be able to recover quickly from this race.

Comments
From Glory in the long run on Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 22:28:44 from 65.130.183.26

You know enough to know that training doesn't go away just because of a bad race. You basically ran a great 20 miles, and then like most marathoners, you could wish that Pheidippedes died at mile 20 rather than mile 26 (I know the story is mythic). As to nutrition, I actually think that a marathon is an ultradistance race (anything over two hours) and thus must be run as such. Knowing what one's body does from 2-4 hours as far as nutrition intake and needs is essential. Also as you mentioned, sleep, stress, sickness, worries, all play a part on performance, especially long-distance performance. You still have future running highs ahead of you, including marathon highlights, no doubt about it.

From Sasha Pachev on Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 23:09:36 from 72.250.218.114

25 mile long run can do it. I have had some fun with 24 mile long runs which resulted in a 2:49 in Boise Great Potato 1999. When you go beyond 22 in training, you need to be a super-runner to not experience measurable damage.

From Matt Poulsen on Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 10:17:38 from 50.168.224.197

Sorry your race didn't go as planned. You know you are definitely fit, though. Try your best to brush it off. You'll tear it up for the next one.

So many factors contribute to marathon performance. Being sick may have really affected you.

I think it's very important to begin taking fluids and calories early on in a marathon (a lot earlier than you did for this race). And, I know, there's a chance you'll have to pee later. But, what's the big deal about taking 30 seconds to pee, compared to not taking enough fluids and calories, and risking the bomb? In my opinion, the benefits far outweigh the risks. Of course, this needs to be practiced in training.

From nathan hornok on Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 18:04:27 from 75.169.187.96

Thanks for the encouragement and advice everyone. I think you are right Matt that I need to take in fluids earlier even if it means stopping to pee.

From Josh E on Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 20:28:19 from 75.162.189.103

Certainly the sickness and fueling likely hurt but I am guessing a bigger base would have helped a lot. You're just getting out of the injury cycle and building back up and if you keep it up this race will be a distant memory soon.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 20:37:06 from 72.250.218.114

Nate:

I would like to put in a plug for posting every workout and tracking your miles on the blog. This way if something like this happens, people can look at it and help you figure out what exactly went wrong. Better yet, people can look at it and learn from your mistakes. When you run well, on the other hand, they can learn from your successes.

From Fritz on Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 20:39:22 from 98.202.9.237

Sorry the race didn't go as planned. It sounds like you had prepared well so it must have had something to do with nutrition, the allergies or the cold. I suspect there is something to learn which will make you stronger next time.

From Sasha Pachev on Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 21:00:38 from 72.250.218.114

More thoughts on the drinking/eating. It is my opinion that when you are in your true top marathon shape (speaking of a sub-2:30 guy), you must be able to get through the distance if the temperatures are not too warm without any fuel or liquid intake not any more than 2 minutes slower than you would have with the ideal nutrition/hydration strategy. If you cannot, the problem is the fitness. Granted, this level of fitness is difficult to attain and very easy to lose. I've been able to get there only twice in my life - 2003 and 2007, and I have been bitten thinking I still had it when I did not. I have a public log of everything I did over the last 15 years if you want the details, but the basic idea is consistent high mileage properly adapted for your body and recovery opportunities, maximizing the recovery opportunities, the right amount of speed, and doing workouts that make you run faster than you think you can without breaking you down.

If liquid intake makes you pee, you are likely overhydrated already, and if you experience problems later it is likely not related to hydration. I remember being paranoid about it after my Boise 1999 experience and drinking like crazy on the bus before Top of Utah the same year. Then I had to ask the bus driver to stop due to an urgent need - other runners found it rather entertaining. In 2003 my intake was soymilk with oats and bananas at 13, then again some time in the second half, I think around 16, and a sip of water at 23. Because of my success in that race I thought I had found a magic formula, but I later understood that I was simply fit, and it did not matter what if anything went it.

When the fitness lacks, your glycogen storage is low, and your fat efficiency is reduced as well. To make things worse, the muscle fibers tear faster on impact. All those things combined can create a miserable marathon experience. On the positive side, it can teach you how to pray in faith, and learn how to be patient waiting for answers.

From Glory in the long run on Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:24:27 from 174.27.207.132

Very interesting Sasha, so fitness combined with the body's efficiency in nutrition intake grants success. I personally think that anything over 2 hours is getting into the realm of ultradistance training. The body's capacity to take in calories and use them is key. So 2-4 hour runs at extremely slow pace (10+ minutes/mile) help the body to adapt to this. This is not something the fast marathon guy wants to do. In this case it's not about developing speed, it's about developing the body's ability to deal with calories. That's why the guys running 2:10 marathons are on the knife edge, but their crashes aren't as blown out, they're only running for 2 hours anyway. It's in the 2:30 to 3 hour range that more crashes can happen. The joggers running 4+ hours for the marathon should already be doing training runs of 3 or more hours so they've adapted to nutrient intake more often.

From Sasha Pachev on Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:41:55 from 72.250.218.114

Jesse - yes, you are right about that. If you are fast, you can finish before you run out of fast fuel. A competitive marathoner should never find himself in a situation where he is running on fat alone - that is when he stops being competitive. But we do need to work on offloading some of the energy expenses to the fat account, so to speak, or maybe we should calling billing Mr. Fat for short, while going at a good speed. I believe that is why pacing in the marathon for a lot of runners plays a critical role. There is a magic pace range that is quite narrow where a trained runner can bill Mr. Fat extensively, but if he speeds up just a bit, as little maybe as 5 seconds per mile, all of a sudden Mr. Carb starts getting the invoices. The following should help keeping the bills going to the Mr. Fat account:

- aerobic base

- biomechanical/neuromuscular efficiency

- avoid surges

- being mentally relaxed while running so the adrenaline does not shift the metabolism the wrong way

Race: Murray 5K (3.03 Miles) 00:15:13, Place overall: 4

It’s too bad the course was short. After the race I was excited by what I thought was a PR. Last week I ran the t-ville 5k and did better than expected (confirmed by GPS watch). So today when I ran so well, I accepted it without question (I didn’t wear the GPS today). Still my adjusted time of 15:35 is still solid, and it shows that I am in better shape than I thought I was. After some of my races last year and earlier this year, I wondered if I would ever be in the same shape that I was in years past. This race shows that I am still right there. I am thrilled to be injury free and running well again.

The downside to my performance today was that for at least the 3rd time that I can remember, I was out kicked in the last 100 meters on this course. From the point wher the course goes downhill into the park, I tried to carry momentum and accelerate all the way to the finish. I thought I was running fast. Suddenly Jason Holt flew by me, I shifted to top speed and tried to chase him down before the finish but it was not to be. My regret is not that I got gunned down by a faster runner, but that I thought I was kicking, when I really wasn’t. The sensation of weariness made me think I was running faster than I actually was. In retrospect, I should have looked back at the 3 mile mark. If I had seen Jason running me down, I may have had the courage to really sprint at that point and hold him off. Oh well. It was still a fun race, and a learning experience.

Lastly, thank you Sasha for figuring out the course adjustment time for me.

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From Sasha Pachev on Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 20:56:35 from 192.168.1.1

Nate - this was a very solid performance. This course is not fast. In fact, making it short made it fair - in a weird way. I anticipate that the same performance in Draper Days will give you the time that you got. You realize you got outkicked by a 1:48 800 meter runner, right? Somebody with that kind of speed, if you bring him around for the kick, will make a 2:00 800 guy look like he is not kicking. And the bad news is that somebody with a good amount of pure fast twitch fibers can kick regardless of how bad he is hurting because his fast twitch fibers were dormant most of the race, while a midgrade guy like you, if he gives it a good push earlier will use his fast gear for that and simply does not have much left in the last 70 meters.

Thanks for starting slow - this helped Benjamin a lot.

Race: DesNews 10K (6.21 Miles) 00:31:59

I have a love/hate relationship with this race. I love that it is such an intense race, but I hate running downhill. But then again, the race would not be so intense if it wasn't for the downhill to trick everyone into running beyond their normal ability. All things considered, I am happy with the effort I put forth today.

I tried to be aggressive the first mile so that I would be around other fast guys and get "carried" to a decent result. Although nothing about this race feels like being "carried." Even though the early miles are downhill and fast, the legs always let me know that I ran faster than they are accoustomed to by the last 2 miles of this race. My first mile was 4:48. I was kind of in a "no man's land" behind the lead pack of about 10 guys, (I never actually counted them) and whatever pack was charging behind me. Albert Wint and another guy caught me after mile 1 and I tagged on to Albert down Foothill (it's good to see Albert back to racing again). The other guy pulled away from us, and it took me quite a bit of effort to not let Albert pull too far away as well. Mile 2 was 9:50ish. I wasn't pushing too hard, but my legs just felt sluggish, like they weren't warmed up yet even though I felt hot and thirsty. Just before South Temple, I moved right behind Albert (I always do better on the uphill). I felt a bit of head wind, so I decided to draft behind Albert down South Temple. We hit the 5K mark (the 1/2 Marathon 10 mile) at about 15:35.  So our pace was slowing a little even though it didn't feel like it. At some point I sensed Albert slowing, so I moved past him. Before we turned onto 200 East, there were two runners that came past us. The first one was moving really fast and said "you may see me in a mile but I gotta try." I don't know who it was, but it was a very brave move and I was impressed.

Along 200 East, I could start to feel the weariness in my legs, but I was glad to be on the flat ground. At about 4.75 miles came the gut check moment that I always have in this race. My internal dialog goes something like "why am I trying to run fast? I don't really want to do this. Just slow a little and try to coast for a while." Then I remember that if I let myself go easy, the money I spent and the time I put into training and the waking up at 4:20 this morning will have been a waste. Since I am in a race, I might as well try to actually race. 

I passed a guy somewhere along 200 East which is always a mental boost. After turning onto 900 South, I caught the guy that was origionally with Albert in the 2nd mile. The two guys who passed me on South Temple never came back to me, but I kept fairly close to them. From 300 East to the finsh I kept tying to pick up the pace at each block. I didn't catch anymore people, but I still like the way I finished. The clock was just under 32 minutes as I finished, I have't seen my official time posted, so I am giving myself the benefit of the doubt and saying it was 31:59 untill I am proved otherwise. As usual in this race, I was super tired after the finsh, and it took me extra long to catch my breath.

My 2nd half was about 16:25. It felt faster than that. I think the heat really slowed me down. This was the type of morning that the first thing I noticed as I left my door was the warm air, despit the fact that it was still dark. So even though the second half was quite a bit slower than the first, I still feel like I ran well given the conditions.

After the race, I back tracked and jogged the last mile with my wife. Last time she ran this race was 2009. This year she beat her 2009 time by 3 minutes despite having had two kids since then. Good Job RyLee! Also, my sister, brother, cousin, and two friends all ran today, so we all met up after the race and had a great start to the day.

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From CollinAnderson on Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 14:29:53 from 172.56.38.128

Nice race. I snapped two crappy photos of you finishing, in case you want them:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14549598599_747fc5501b_b.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3914/14733864224_7158015308_b.jpg

From Rob Murphy on Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 14:38:13 from 173.14.236.10

Great race.

I love :59 times!

Race: TOU half (13.1 Miles) 01:10:04, Place overall: 6

I woke up at 3:40 to drive up to Logan in time to catch the bus. My little sister Leah is in town this week, so she came with me. Before hand, I asked her twice if she was sure she really wanted to wake up so early just to see me race. She insisted on coming and it was nice to have someone to talk with on the drive there and back, and to have her cheer me on at mile 7 and 10. Thanks Leah!

Before the race, I just did 2 miles of wam up and talked a little bit with Mel, and Ben

I haven't been able to run a half under 1:11:00 since 2010, so I have learned to be cautious about how fast I start. So my plan was to run by feel within the 5:20 to 5:30 pace range. I for sure did not want to make the mistake I've done in the past, and run below 5:10 the first mile (which is suprisingly easy to do in a down hill start) and ruin my legs for the latter miles. I let the lead group of speedsters go, and hit my first mile in 5:19, so I just tried to duplicate what that mile felt like for the rest of the canyon. For several miles I ran with Albert and Jon (I actually tucked behind them and selfishly drafted for 4 miles). We were running 5:20 pace for all but one of those miles, so I saw no need to move ahead of them. I started leading Jon at about mile 6 and talked with him for a bit. When we exited the canyon (mile 7) I started to increas my effort in order to keep the 5:20 pace on flatter ground. Luckily for me, "sketchers" John passed me and gapped me, but gave me a good target to try to stay with. I kept waiting for the usual "heavy leg" sensation to hit, but it never did. By mile 10, I felt better than I ever have at that point in a half. I realized that I was just a little behind 1:10:00 pace, so I really started to push the last 3 miles. I re-passed John at mile 11.5, which gave me stronger motivation to keep pushing the pace. At mile 12, I figured I needed to run about 5:05 pace to break 1:10:00. I kinda thought that it was beyond reach, but still tried to run fast. I think I gained some ground on Ben (who seemed to have run the whole race by himself in no-man's land). But then Ben speed up the last bit and beat me handily. The last 2 miles felt much more like the end of a 10K rather that a Half. I was more cardiovascularly limited rather than having painfull dead legs. I finished a lot closer to 1:10 than I thought I would and was pretty happy with my result. I think I sort of stumbled on the perfect pacing strategy for me on this course. I will try to remeber it in future years. I actually beat my course PR by about 30 seconds which was from 2009. That was the same year I ran my marathon PR, so I'm really happy with where my endurance is right now. I talked a little with Steve after the race and drank some chocolate milk. My legs felt well enough (which is not usually the case after a half) to run a few miles cool down with my sister. Then I grabbed more milk and food and drove home.

All told, it was a very enjoyable morning and it was good to talk to a few guys before and after the race. Good times:)

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From Jake K on Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 16:07:15 from 199.190.170.21

Nice race Nate! Looking at the 7 mile splits on the race website, you probably had the best pacing/finish of anyone. It's nice when you feel good and strong at the end of a half, huh?

Are you going to run a fall marathon this year?

From NathanH on Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 22:52:22 from 75.169.187.174

Jake, yeah it was nice to feel so strong at the end of that race. I've come to expect a half marathon to be 5 miles of dead legs. I was pleasantly surprised to feel so good. I am preparing for the TOU marathon, which is the main reason why I paced this race conservatively to start out. I need to fit in one more quality long run this week, and I didn't want to be too worn out.

Are you still planning on running Chicago? If so, I am really jealous. It will be so awesome to be on the start line with K. Bekele and Eliud Kipchoge. Two of my favorite runners (I even tried to name my son Eliud, but I couldn't sell my wife on the idea).

From Jake K on Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 08:23:35 from 199.190.170.31

Yeah that makes good sense - you are definitely ready for a good marathon at TOU. It's really nice to get in a solid tune up race on the marathon course too.

I am running Chicago, although I think KB and company will be out of sight pretty quick :-) Today is the 10 yr anniversary of this race - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTd1CuKZr1Y KB and Kipchoge had some awesome battles on the track.

Race: Layton Classic (6.21 Miles) 00:33:05, Place overall: 5

During the warm up for this race, I wasn't feeling the usual excitement or nervousness, but I knew the instinct to run hard would kick in once the race started. I chatted a little with Albert, and Steve during strides.

First mile was mostly a gentle downhill which we ran in 5:15. I tucked in right at the back of the lead group during the next two uphill miles. I was feeling strong and relaxed. I'm much better running uphill than down, so it was nice to be able to stay with the runners who have usually dropped me in the first mile. At halfway, at the highest point in the race, Jake, Steve, and Jason quickend the pace, and I was feeling overwhelmed and got dropped. I hit 5k in about 17:00 (I can't remember the excact time). From mile 3 to 5, I ran about 5:05-5:10 pace. It felt fast, and I was just trying to stay relaxed and not feel awkward as I pounded downhill. By mile 5, as the hill started to flatten, my legs felt pretty good, and I was able to continue pushing myself. I can tell that the marathon type workouts that I've done in the past month have given me better fatigue resistance in my legs. When we turned north, on the slight uphill, that's when the race really got to me and I felt tired. I checked to see how much separation I had on the guy behind me. He was close enough that if he really pushed hard, he could run me down. I knew he was a young guy, and he might have a great kick, so that motivated me to keep pushing. I covered the last 1.2 miles in 6:16 (5:13 pace) so I'm happy with how I finished.

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From Glory in the long run on Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 04:06:28 from 174.27.215.145

Nice race. Glad you're progressing and only 40 seconds off 1st place. Glad you're having a good build-up. I feel like I'm maybe just a week away from running again. We'll see.

You're always an inspiration. I know I have little to do with it but I take pride in your accomplishments. Glory in the long run.

Race: USATF Cross County 5k (3.1 Miles) 00:17:15, Place overall: 2

I ran this race for two reasons. The first was to run a cross country race for a change, and the second was to make sure I wasn't passed in the overall LDR circuit standings. This was my 9th circuit race and my 15th race this year. To be honest, I was kind of mentally burned out when preparing for this race. Physically I recovered well from the TOU Marathon, and have been running well, but when I would think about putting in the effort during a race, it made me want to take a nap:) 

Unfortunately (or fortunately when considering my circuit points situation), not many people showed up to this race. And the two guys that I know are usually faster than me (Jake and Steve) were both in various states of injury recovery. I decided that I might as well try to win the thing since I haven't won a circuit race this year (even though this event felt more like a group workout than a race). There was a guy on the start line that I had never seen before, but he had the look of a fast runner.

The "new guy" and me were in front from the start. I could tell early on from the way he was breathing, that the pace wasn't too hard for him. We went off course at about 1/2 mile (totally my fault, I'm not sure what I was thinking). Luckily Steve yelled to us and we realized I had made a mistake. We tuned around and got back on the course. It cost us about 20-30 seconds. From this point on, I was trying to hang on to the new guy for as long as I could. By about 1 mile, we had moved back in front of the field, but I had already been gapped. I was hurting pretty badly. I could tell I ran beyond my ability and it would just be a struggle for the next 2 miles. For the final two loops of the park I was basically just surviving the uphills and coasting on the downhills. I wished I had run differently. It's alot more fun to run in a way were I can speed up over the last half, but I figured this would be the last race of the year so I would just get my fill of "race-pace suffering."

I learned after the race, that the winner recently moved from Sacramento, I think I heard that his name is Anthony, but my memory might be faulty on that. I think he will be a usual comptetetor in the Utah running scene.

Considering the course and conditions, I have no idea what my finishing time converts to in a normal 5k. I finished 30 seconds behind the winner, and he seems to be a really fast guy, but I don't know how hard he pushed himself. Overall, I don't care too much. I got the circuit points needed to secure my 3rd place ranking, and I'm ready to take a break from racing untill next year.

I hope a cross country race like this happens again next year and that more people can show up ready to race. Thanks to all the USATF volunteers who help put on this event and who make the LDR circuit happen!

 

 

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From Jake K on Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 19:54:23 from 98.202.128.218

You had a real solid year Nate.

Anthony Costales is the new guy - he's targeting 2:17 at CIM next month, so he's legit.

From Sasha Pachev on Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 13:42:11 from 192.168.1.1

Anthony's half PR is 1:06:30, and his 10,000 on the track is around 30:00. You can consider him a clone of Jake when it comes to distance running performance.

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